Personally I've had more than a few experiences with my own flesh that make his flicks more personal. All of the pimples and boils and ingrown hairs popped and plucked and picked, the random blond hair growning out of my forehead, starving myself as a teen and cutting and watching the would not heal, all these dark flesh moments I have seen in his work and more. Just the flavor of his vulgarity resonated with me.
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  • Re: Why/How do you like Cronnenberg's movies?

    Thu, January 5, 2006 - 3:01 PM
    "Vulgarity" is not a word that applies to Cronenberg:

    vulĀ·gar
    adj.

    1. Crudely indecent.
    2. a. Deficient in taste, delicacy, or refinement.
    b. Marked by a lack of good breeding; boorish.
    c. Offensively excessive in self-display or expenditure; ostentatious: the huge vulgar houses and cars of the newly rich.
    3. Spoken by or expressed in language spoken by the common people; vernacular: the technical and vulgar names for an animal species.
    4. Of or associated with the great masses of people; common.

    Cronenberg's films are the opposite -- extremely refined, scalpel-sharp probes that directly push the buttons in your brain marked "icky" and "creepy." He explores contamination, infection, mutation, dissection, and dissolution. He's a master at making you feel uncomfortable for reasons you can't even explain.

    What's not to like?
    • Re: Why/How do you like Cronnenberg's movies?

      Sun, January 8, 2006 - 11:03 AM
      Arguing semantics on the internet is dumb. You think that vulgar is not a wrod that applies to Cronenberg's work, that's fine with me. I think that it does. And that should be fine with everyone else too. I ment the
      (from webster.com)
      4 a : lacking in cultivation, perception, or taste : COARSE b : morally crude, undeveloped, or unregenerate : GROSS c : ostentatious or excessive in expenditure or display : PRETENTIOUS

      gross and coarse and sometimes pretentious moments of his work. That flick of stuff at the camera by the canal in "Spider", barfing on a donut in "The Fly", wetting the new oraface in "eXistenZ", the spinal ports overall in "eXistenZ" were pretty vulgar. Those are just a few of the moments that I''m talking about. The quick jabs of the coarse and intimate and fleshy that he peppers his works with. Licking an erstaz asshole is not refined.

      The whole point of this thread was to get people talking about their personal experiences with Cronnenberg's art, not to argue about the meanings of words. And frankly I don't see a lot of traffic in this tribe, so, I thought I'd chime in and get the juices flowing again.

      So, Allen, what first attracted you to his work? What in that first movie (even if you didn't know it was him) snagged you in?
      • Re: Why/How do you like Cronnenberg's movies?

        Sun, January 8, 2006 - 3:24 PM
        It seems that you mean, "inspiring disgust or distaste," which is the last definition of "gross." Both "vulgar" and the definition you've posted basically mean "unrefined" (specifically as they relate to "gross"). I maintain that the way you used the word "vulgar" was not what you were actually aiming for.

        The imprecise use of language does matter (to me and to many others, but not, unfortunately, to most), and I'll argue about it whenever I choose. Internet arguing is USUALLY about semantics, and few people ever conceed being incorrect. The point is not "winning," the point is the arguing. Call it a hobby. Self-righteousness is an all-too-common human trait, and Americans seem to have a real stranglehold on the market. I include myself in their number. In person I'm much more civil -- but I still like to argue (though I prefer to call it "debate" since I'm not usually trying to piss people off).

        Moving on...

        The first Cronenberg film I saw was "Scanners." I had never seen a man's head explode, and that was also my first intro to Michael Ironside (was already a Patrick McGoohan fan from "The Prisoner"). But I felt that the film was great, creepy fun, and very inventive (even though the male lead was a terrible performance). The next, which I anticipated with excitement after buying the Fangoria issue that featured a cover image from the film, was "Videodrome." I loved it. It was fucked up, and mysterious, and wacky, and it never fully explained what was going on. James Woods and Debbie Harry were the perfect S/M couple! I loved going into a movie not quite knowing what to expect.

        I was a committed Cronenberg fan from then onward. He still suprises me.

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